Why do police apologists suggest citizens “just do as they ask”? Are they recommending we surrender our constitutional rights to the police whenever they detain us?
There seems to be a growing view that Americans have the right not to be arrested and do what ever they please.
This is just not True. We have rights not to be unreasonably stopped and a range of rights in how we interact with the police. However, if the police have a warrant, you have no right to not be arrested, even if you think the warrant is wrong, doesn’t apply, you didn’t hit her that hard, etc.
Additionally, if the police have probable cause, then they can arrest you, even if you don’t agree and even if ‘you didn’t do it’.
Finally, if they have reasonable suspicion, they have every right to detain you long enough to either determine they do or don’t have probable cause. If you exercise your right to not talk to them, it can take quite some time to establish if they do have probable cause (and detaining you in their car or at the station is fine).
A classic example of this recently played out in Texas. A women says she is beaten by her boyfriend and he had just left the building as the officers arrived. She gives the typical poor description of a scared person (mid 30s average height, race and hair color, wearing shorts and a green t-shirt). They note they saw a guy jogging away from the building and driving down the road see a guy shorts, fluorescent t shirt matching the rest of the characteristics. They stop and detain him (no force and nonresistance) and ask him his name. He knows his rights and refuses to answer. 30 minutes later after trying to get him to tell him his name and trying to get the women to be clearer about what color green was the shirt, they decide to load him in the car and take him to the station to figure out if they have the person.
At this moment they have reasonable suspicion (leaving the building at the right time, matching a very broad description). If they knew he had the boyfriend’s name they would have probable cause and if they new he didn’t then the reasonable suspicion goes away. The fact he won’t give his name (which is his right, but is a crime to lie about) probably makes them more suspicious.
He then doesn’t understand his rights and think he has a right to resist going into the car and either a drive by of the women for her to ID him or to the station so they can figure out who he is. Of course there is a tussle (but by now there a 4 cruisers and about 8 cops). Eventually they figure out who he is (not the boyfriend) and they eventually drop the resisting and assaulting charges and everyone goes their own way.
999 times out of 1000 the police are acting within their rights and yours. But just because you think you shouldn’t be stopped or arrested doesn’t make it so. Even worse is when people who know they have arrest warrants out resist and are injured/ killed or injure / kill police (as has happened in a number of high profile recent cases)
Note – there are others of course where the police have screwed up or been criminal negligent/incompetent. But these are the tiny minority of incidents. More generally the police are overly aggressive, but the people they are dealing with are often overly righteous/aggressive.371 viewsView 3 upvotesSubmission accepted by D. Weed33Add a comment…Justin ThomlinsonJune 14
Great answer with a clear example to help teach a point. Thanks.
You did mentioned something that I need help to understand. It has to do with detainment.
If I read about detainment I see that you have a right to be detained only for a relativy short time and can have the expectation you will be.
JUNE 2, 2021
What is the first thing you should do in a crisis situation?
One day as I was reading John 14, 15, and 16, the Lord began to give me the answer to this question. In John 16:1, Jesus says, “These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.” According to Mark 4:17, when a person is offended, Satan takes the Word of God from them.
In other words, when you are offended, the Word of God stops releasing its life-giving power in your life. When you take offense, when you get hurt, the Word stops operating. The Lord said, “These things [John 14, 15, and 16] have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.”
Jesus said this to His disciples the night before His crucifixion. In John 13:32-33, Jesus said He knew all things that were going to come upon Him. He knew all things that were going to come upon His disciples too. He was totally aware of the situation. He came to His disciples to give them some last-minute instructions before the most trying time they’d ever experienced in their lives. It surpasses anything that you or I ever have or ever will encounter.
These disciples were literally the people Jesus was going to use to establish His church and overthrow Satan’s kingdom. Therefore, I believe Satan threw every bit of discouragement, doubt, confusion, and torment he had against them. It was a crisis time. They had forsaken families, careers — everything — for Jesus. And they were in a situation that was going to test their faith, that Jesus was the Messiah even.
Jesus said, “I’m speaking these things to you that you should not be offended.” In other words, if the disciples had taken heed to what Jesus told them here, they would not have been offended. They could have rejoiced during that very trying time.
So John 14, 15, and 16, in capsule form, is everything you need to know in a crisis when your faith is being tested. If this doesn’t apply to you at this moment, hang on — it will. Every one of us needs to know this. We need to be schooled in these precautions before the crisis hits. When a crisis hits, your very first reaction — the first thing you do when Satan attacks — usually determines the outcome.
Not long ago, I was reading a book called Terror at Tenerife.
It reminded me of what we’re talking about here. This man, Norman Williams, was in the accident on the Canary Islands in which two huge 747s crashed on the runway and burned. Only a few people out of 500 or more escaped. The rest were killed.
It was miraculous how Williams got out. He looked at the people on either side of him, and it was so hot, the flesh just melted off of them. They became skeletons instantly. He said that people who were normally nice — little old ladies sixty or seventy years old — yelled things so vile it was unbelievable. He couldn’t describe it. The things that were hidden deep in their hearts came out in a crisis situation and bothered him more than anything else.
But what came out of his mouth was different — he’d been seeking the Lord. He had agreed with his mother before he left on the trip that he’d be safe. The first thing to come out of his mouth was his faith that God would protect him. He had a huge fireball come right at him, but he wasn’t burned. Then a landing gear came flying at him. He just caught the thing and threw it off. There was an explosion right above his head, and the plane, ten feet high at that point, was torn open. He jumped up right through that hole, even though he was fifty years old and overweight. God supernaturally delivered him.
Norman Williams didn’t have time to sit back and ask, “Now let’s see, what should I do in this situation?”
Your first reaction is going to determine the outcome in a crisis situation. Seldom do we have the luxury of sitting back and looking at things. The attitude you have when Satan comes against you is going to determine the final result. If you can get a hold of this truth, it will revolutionize your life. I’ve been teaching this everywhere I go, and I’ve seen more results out of it than anything I’ve ever taught. It’s based on simple truths from the Word, but if you get established in them, they’ll keep you from being offended, and the Word of God will produce in your life.
In John 14:1, Jesus says, “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.”
Now this is so simple that you can miss it. It’s very profound, however. The first thing you have to do when Satan comes against you is to make the decision that you are not going to let your heart be troubled.
If you were to diagram this sentence, the understood subject is “you.” You let not your heart be troubled. God gave you the choice. God gave you power over your heart.
Again, this is so simple we often miss it. The vast majority of people I deal with who are attacked by Satan don’t really understand this. A lot of them believe that in a given situation, there is no way that they can help but to be depressed and discouraged. They justify emotions that are contrary to God’s Word. But this is a command as much as any other command in the Word — as much as “thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not kill.” It is a direct command from the Lord!
So the very first thing you have to do is say, “I am not going to let my heart be troubled.”
In 1987, a number of my friends were in critical situations. One man had terminal cancer. During a trip, he became so sick that he was hospitalized, and the doctors said he would never live through the night. After hanging on for a week, the doctors allowed him to rent an ambulance and come home.
As I travel, the biggest problem I encounter in the body of Christ is discouragement and depression. At least three-fourths of the people I deal with constantly battle these emotions. There is no excuse for it — there are reasons, but no excuses.
We’ve gotten to the point that we think these kinds of emotions are normal. A lot of people try to resist and walk in victory, for a brief period of time. They have bounds, or limits, to how far they’ll go in believing God. When certain things happen, such as someone dying, they say, “Well, how could you expect anybody not to be discouraged or not to grieve?”
Well, I guarantee you the Lord Jesus Christ has borne our sorrows and carried our griefs! That’s not to say that you don’t miss a person, but there is no justification for getting into grieving which becomes destructive.
His wife called me and said, “He’s not expected to live through the night, and he wanted you to pray.” She put the phone to his ear, and I said, “Don’t you dare die until I get there.” I went over to see this man, along with my associate Don Krow. We began ministering to him nearly daily for about three months. We would go by and just share the good news of God’s Word with him.
It was amazing what the Word did. When we first saw him, he couldn’t move or even hold a phone to his ear. Finally, he began walking around, eating, and even getting about in the car. The Word of God worked. All I did was share very basic principles from the Word with him.
During this same period of time, a woman in Monument, Colorado called. She was critically ill and was supposed to have surgery in three days. She was given no chance of living without surgery and less than a 5 percent chance of living with it. I shared the same truths with her and she lived. Praise the Lord!!
Here were two totally different people. The man, already baptized in the Holy Ghost, fervently seeking the Lord; while the other had never even heard of the Holy Ghost. Two totally different people, with totally different circumstances, yet both of them needed the same truths from God’s Word. I had taken many different things the Lord had taught me and applied all of them to these crisis situations, and the results were miraculous.
I began to pray about this, “Lord, it would sure be nice if all these different truths were compiled in one place in the Bible. Then I could just teach people from those scriptures on what to do in a crisis situation.” The Lord answered that prayer by leading me to John 14, 15, and 16.
What you’re reading is the result of what the Lord taught me through those scriptures. May God bless you in reading it.
We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
1 John 5:19
Recommended Reading: 1 John 5:18-21
Why are our public universities, the global media, the global economy, and the governments of the world gripped by wrong thinking and godless conduct? Why is the persecution of Christians reaching unprecedented levels? Why are people screaming at each other on television, and why has pornography overtaken our technology?
It’s because the whole world is under the sway of the wicked one.
He is the father of lies (John 8:44), the power of darkness (Colossians 1:13), the ruler of this world (John 14:30), the prince of the power of the air, and the spirit that works in the children of disobedience (Ephesians 2:2). His craft and power are great. But, as Martin Luther said, “Though this world with devils filled should threaten to undo us, we will not fear for God has willed His truth to triumph through us.”
We are the children of God, and He has provided us with all we need when we face spiritual battles. Let’s be armored up, prayed up, and filled up—so we can stand up.
Our Commander in Chief has already won the war, and He wants us to get in on the victory every day that we live.
Read-Thru-the-Bible: Job 25 – 30
“Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads” (Revelation 4:4).
There is much speculation as to who the 24 elders in Revelation are. As you can see, they are seated on thrones, dressed in white robes, wearing crowns. Whoever these elders are, one of the things you notice is that they are constantly entering into worship. null
“Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever” (Revelation 4:9-10).
The question now arises – who are these 24 elders in Revelation, and what if anything do they symbolize? We’ll start by looking at the number 24.
Is There Any Significance in the Number 24?
The number 24 has significance in the Bible when you look at where it was used and what it meant, both back then and possibly during this time. In 1 Chronicles 24, the descendants of Aaron, who were the priests in Israel, were divided into 24 sections to determine the order in which they would minister before the Lord. In 1 Chronicles 25 the musicians were divided into 24 sections and they were responsible for worship in the house of the Lord.
It’s possible the 24 elders were a symbol then of what was to come. When you read the opening chapter of Revelation, notice how John describes us as kingdom and priests.
“Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father — to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen” (Revelation 1:4-6).
You could possibly draw a correlation of these verses back to those verses in Chronicles.
Who Are the 24 Elders in Revelations?
The truth is no one knows exactly because they are never actually given names. The Bible is not clear of their identity, but there are some things we can learn from Scripture that can lead us to some speculations or possibilities of who these elders are or what they symbolize.
The first thing to consider is Revelation 4:4. As you read the verse, focus your attention on what they are wearing and where are they sitting.
“Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads” (Revelation 4:4, emphasis added).
1. Where Are The Elders Seated?
You will notice the 24 elders are seated on thrones. To sit on a throne is a seat of power and authority. In the Bible one of the things we are told is that we will reign with Christ. Ephesians even mentions that we are seated with him in heavenly places. So this could simply mean that the 24 elders are a reference to the church. More specifically the overcoming, victorious, and raptured church, because these scenes are playing out during the Great Tribulation. null
“To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne” (Revelation 3:21).
In addition to this there are two other things that would lend me to move in the direction that the 24 elders represent the church.
Dressed in white – The 24 elders were all dressed in white and wore crowns on their heads. To be dressed in white, especially a white robe, is symbolic of being clothed in the righteousness of Christ. The only ones who will ever be clothed in his righteousness are those who have been redeemed. You see this mentioned in other parts of Revelation.
“Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels” (Revelation 3:4-5).
Wearing crowns of gold – One of the things believers are promised is the crown of life.
“Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him” (James 1:12).
Since the 24 elders are wearing crowns, that could be symbolic of the crown of life, which again would point to the elders being the church.
Another Thought on the 24 Elders
There is another possible idea or symbolism tied to the 24 elders. Some scholars would say the 24 elders represent the 12 tribes of Israel combined with the 12 apostles, representing how God has bridged the gap between the Old Covenant and the New. Again, since the Bible is not clear who the 24 elders are in Revelation, these are just ideas that can help you possibly understand who they might be or represent.
Are The Elders Angels, or Heavenly Beings?
Some would argue these 24 elders are angels. I would shy away from that idea and move to precluding these are not angels for the same reasons I mentioned above. Angels may be dressed in white, but they are not clothed in Christ’s righteousness. Angels also do not sit on thrones, nor are they awarded the crown of life. For these reasons I believe it is safe to say the 24 elders of Revelation are not angels.null
Where Else Are the Elders Mentioned?
Aside from chapter four, the 24 elders are mentioned in various parts of the book or Revelation.
“And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people” (Revelation 5:8).
“All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God” (Revelation 7:11).
“And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God” (Revelation 11:16).
It is hard to distinguish definitively what these elders will do in the book of Revelation. We know certainly that one of the things they will do is worship around God’s throne.
As you can see, there are different opinions surrounding who the 24 elders are in Revelation. Honestly, we won’t know for certain now. The best we can do is gather as much information as we can and come to the best conclusion possible. We should not let this lead us to argue and debate, but to listen and learn. We won’t know who these elders are right now, but we will know then and at that time, it won’t matter who was right.
A short while ago, I had to suddenly leave an online meeting with our branch leaders as sirens sent most of Jerusalem into bomb shelters when rockets streamed in from Gaza.
Early reports suggest a barrage of rockets was fired at Jerusalem, Sderot, Beit Shemesh, and Ashkelon.
Now is the time to stand with Israel.
Here’s how you can respond:
- Take time to pray for the safety of the Israeli people and for our staff in the Land.
- Support our Israel in Crisis Fund which will enable us to respond to the needs of Israelis as events unfold.
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We have only begun to scratch the surface in the fight against human trafficking. If there were only one soul still being trafficked, our fight against this atrocity would continue, but the ugly truth is that there are millions. We have much work remaining.
We are called to be an example in our society, to guide others in the way of the Lord, although the virtue of society has gone out the window. We are meant to live by example in everything we do.
Christ like character includes being honest, loving everyone (even those who are hard to love), being kind and having self-control, to name a few.
We all have different opinions on things and different views, but we have to love each other regardless. This includes people from all walks of life, no matter what their skin color is or what situation they are in. People desperately need to see the love of Christ shining through us.
We have to return to honesty. Nothing ever good comes of lying and people still do it. We need to take the high road and be honest in everything we say and do.Proverbs 11:3 says, The integrity of the upright guides them, but the unfaithful are destroyed by their duplicity.
The most loving act between a husband and wife has been degraded to just a ‘feeling’. Sexual immorality has destroyed Christians and non-Christians alike and it is heartbreaking. It destroys people mentally, and emotionally. Purity and its benefits need to be revived again in our society.1 Corinthians 6-18-20 says, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit,who is in you, who you received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price.Therefore honor God with your bodies.”
There is a great lack of trust in society today in many areas. As Christians, it is important to cultivate a community of trust amongst our friends, believers and nonbelievers alike. We need to know that we can trust one another with our problems, secrets and concerns. Non-believers need to know they can trust us with their problems and issues as well, to know they will not be ridiculed or judged.
Titus 2:7 says, “In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness.”
In the era of the world wide web, social media, and the way we live today, kindness is hard to find. It is more common to digest the negative rather than the positive. No matter how hard the situation, we need to act in kindness. We need our brothers and sisters to be able to count on it and non-believers to know where they can find it.
Galatians 6:10 says, “Therefore, as we have the opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially those who belong to the family of believers…”
It is hard to keep the faith in difficult situations. It is hard not to lean on your own thoughts and feelings at times. But we always must remember that the Lord knows what is best and will help us avoid any snares on the path we are on. We must always put our faith in Him when it comes to the path He puts us on.
Proverbs 3:5-6 says, “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and he will make straight your paths.”
It is hard to find hope in the times we live, there is always something terrible going on somewhere. We need to restore our hope through prayer that even the smallest things will get better and to constantly read and trust in His Word too.
Romans 12:12 says, “Be joyful in hope, be patient in affliction, faithful in prayer.”
We live in a very self-centered society. I think it is important that we bring back charity in the sense of having concern for others. Everyone thinks of charity as the donation they give at Christmas time. But charity is so much more than that. It’s cleaning out your closet and donating it to a free clothing giveaway. It’s making a meal for a family during a hard time. It is lending a listening ear to someone’s troubles or encouraging and speaking life over someone in a way they have never heard before. Charity is more than just a monetary donation, it is a way of life.
Hebrews 13:16 says, “And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.”
In this sense, we are all responsible for our actions. When consequences are rendered, we need to take responsibility. We need to set the example. We need to show people that we are not perfect and that we make mistakes too.
Galatians 6:5 says, “For each one shall carry his own load.”
Believers need to teach our society compassion. There are many people who have fallen on hard times and many more to come. It breaks my heart when people lash out with statements like “Oh, he must be out on the street because he’s on drugs.” or “She must be on the street because she is an alcoholic.” Yes, sometimes this is true, but not always. Sometimes people lose their jobs or their homes. Sometimes people suffer from mental illness and can’t function in life due to either not being on medication or not being on the right balance of medications. Our society is so quick to judge one another. We as Christians need to set the example and have compassion for all people.
Galatians 6:2 says, “Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you fulfill the law of Christ.”
I’ll never forget the time I talked to my baby sister about premarital sex. She was a teenager and I was a college student, and I’d been burdened by the need to do my (big) sisterly duty for a while. We were driving to the mall one day and came to a red light that I knew from past experience took a solid five minutes to cycle back around to green. So I open my mouth and tried to share my heart.
I was raised in church and had been active in my youth group before I went off to college. Long before I plunged in with my sister that day (praying the light wouldn’t change too soon), I’d decided I was going to wait on sex until I was married. I didn’t make that decision out of guilt or fear but rather with the hopeful conviction that, in temporarily denying myself some pleasure, I was gaining for myself long-term blessings.
Now, as the mom of one teenager and one young adult, I’ve had many more conversations about sex before marriage (none of them at traffic lights). I’ve tried to present God’s call to preserve the intimacy of “knowing” each other for within marriage not as His tight-fisted order against something bad but as His open-handed offer in favor of something good.
Our Christian kids are often told not to have sex before marriage “because God says so” or “because the Bible says so,” and it is true that God’s Word on a matter—born out of His goodness, love, and wisdom—is all that is required for us to be called to obedience.
But before waves of hormones and attraction and opposing viewpoints from the world and peer pressure and curiosity and natural desires crash in, we as parents do well to equip our kids with a more developed conviction about what, exactly, they’re waiting for when they wait for marriage.
As I’ve tried to encourage my children to choose to save sex for marriage, I’ve packaged these 5 Scripture-supported gains as worthy gifts.
May 5th is Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women Awareness Day (MMIW); a movement to bring recognition to the disappearance and murders of Native women and girls.
Today, we acknowledge the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women epidemic which has especially skyrocketed during the past year.
The U.S Department of Justice finds that American Indian women face murder rates that are more than 10 times the national average, and going missing at a rate of more than 5,000 every year since 2016.
There are many factors contributing to this raging epidemic against our sisters ranging from individual to societal, and therefore many intersections at which this devastation multiplies.
Today, we encourage you to make a difference with your attention and awareness for Native Women.